Anger, Rage, and Mental Illness

Have you ever ever been so pissed off, in a state of absolute rage, and mentioned or accomplished one thing you utterly remorse later? Many individuals dwelling with bipolar dysfunction perceive this sense all too nicely: On the time, you’re feeling so righteous, so fueled with this highly effective Hercules-like vitality, so able to take in your enemy (or the world), solely to suppose later… What on this planet was that every one about? Yep, in these moments, the indignant response tends to far outweigh the preliminary set off.

On this episode, Gabe and Jackie focus on the blind rage that many individuals have skilled. They discuss the right way to cope with it and the way it’s OK so that you can transfer on from certainly one of these episodes and not establish together with your previous. Gabe even shares his personal blind rage second and how he managed to place it behind him (after a mega-apology, in fact).

Have you ever ever had a blind rage second? Or know somebody who has? Tune in to peek into the thoughts of an individual with an uncontrollable mood.

(Transcript Available Below)


About The Not Loopy Podcast Hosts

Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the writer of the favored e book, Mental Illness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable directly from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site,





Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy recreation for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on persistent sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person neighborhood constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and despair.

You could find her on-line at, Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn.



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Editor’s NoticePlease be conscious that this transcript has been computer-generated and due to this fact might comprise inaccuracies and grammar errors. Thanks.

Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed here are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.

Gabe: Welcome to Not Loopy. I’d wish to introduce my co-host, Jackie, who lives with main despair.

Jackie: And I wish to introduce my co-host, Gabe, who lives with bipolar dysfunction.

Gabe: I really feel that I used to be extra excited that you’ve got main despair than you have been excited that I’ve bipolar dysfunction.

Jackie: I really feel like there’s a extremely good joke about bipolar in there. I simply don’t know what it’s.

Gabe: Oh, there are such a lot of, there are such a lot of. I’m so comfortable to be bipolar. No, I’m not.

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: That’s it? You’re not even going to snicker? As a result of that makes me indignant, Jackie.

Jackie: Ohhh.

Gabe: It makes me indignant.

Jackie: It makes you indignant?

Gabe: That you just received’t snicker at my joke.

Jackie: Nicely, it simply so occurs that we’re speaking about anger at this time.

Gabe: I believe that anger is a kind of misunderstood feelings, proper? Everyone in America, needs anger to go away, like we don’t take heed to the indignant lots and we’re uncomfortable when someone will get indignant with us and we wish them to relax. Like has anyone ever mentioned that to you once you’re indignant?

Jackie: There’s no sooner approach to make someone not relax than to inform them to relax.

Gabe: And that is simply common, on a regular basis anger that everyone will get that Webster defines as a powerful feeling of annoyance, displeasure or hostility.

Jackie: In response to them, it doesn’t sound that dangerous. It doesn’t sound that dangerous to be, , indignant.

Gabe: The truth is, is that anger does serve a objective. In case you get indignant a few social state of affairs, that may actually be the spark that makes you alter that social state of affairs, that makes you combat for a greater life for you and your loved ones or for individuals who have been put upon in an unfair means. I believe each social motion ever has began with anger. That anger is justified and can result in actual constructive outcomes. The sort of anger that I wish to discuss is the anger that isn’t rooted in cause. I wish to discuss anger with bipolar dysfunction as a result of I used to be indignant with issues that didn’t even exist, that I actually made them up in my head and was livid about it. So what do I do with that? I can’t change it. It by no means occurred to start with.

Jackie: One of many issues that I believe is actually fascinating about this matter and one thing that I’d wish to dive into is someone who doesn’t stay with bipolar dysfunction is somewhat little bit of the distinction between bipolar anger and common. We’ll name it common anger, not psychological sickness, related anger, however particularly like what you simply mentioned was I made it up, it wasn’t actual. However I really feel like even people who find themselves not bipolar make up issues that make them livid. So are you able to give me a rundown actually fast, Gabe? What’s the distinction? What makes bipolar anger bipolar anger, and what differentiates it?

Gabe: As longtime listeners of the present know, I like to say that every thing exists on a spectrum, proper? There’s the everyday spectrum the place you’re experiencing anger that’s regular. There’s additionally the everyday spectrum of, say, disappointment, proper. You already know, disappointment can result in despair, however despair isn’t disappointment and disappointment isn’t despair. So I actually want that we had like a greater identify. Perhaps as an alternative of calling it bipolar anger, it ought to be bipolar rage as a result of that’s actually what we’re speaking about. It’s this level the place you may have simply misplaced all sense of actuality and context. And once I say a lack of actuality, I don’t imply you’re hallucinating. I simply imply the factor that you simply’re mad at doesn’t exist. However right here’s the place it will get powerful. It exists to you. Your notion turns into your actuality. And also you’re preventing in opposition to one thing that isn’t actual. It’s frankly scary.

Jackie: Okay. Now that I really feel like I completely perceive what you’re saying. Probably not. That’s an over exaggeration. However are you able to give me an instance? Are you able to inform me an actual stay story of Gabe having uncontrollable anger a few factor that was both, A, not actual or B, perhaps not a factor that was large enough to warrant the response you gave it?

Gabe: I used to be very lucky to begin my profession pretty younger. I had a excessive paying job proper out of highschool once I was 19 years previous and I acquired a better paying job once I was 20 and I acquired a extremely excessive paying job at 21. It was, it was nice to be within the laptop world again earlier than the bubble burst. And my employer did some stuff I didn’t like. I do not need the power to look backwards and resolve if my base degree of anger was affordable. Let’s say that what my employer did was incorrect. My response to that was not affordable.

Jackie: What occurred? What was the catalyst?

Gabe: I used to be contracted to run their community and they added one thing in, they needed me to offer a better degree of cellphone help to the shopper than I used to be initially employed to offer. I didn’t wish to work with a buyer. You suppose that individuals don’t perceive computer systems at this time in 2020? Yeah. Folks actually didn’t perceive computer systems again in 1997. And I pushed again and they mentioned powerful have been paying, you must do it. So yeah, I began off small by bitching so much and then I attempted to get everyone to do a stroll out and stop if we didn’t get our means, , sort of a strike sort of factor. And that didn’t work. After which I despatched an electronic mail to the whole firm, all 35000 staff.

Jackie: Whoa, what did it say?

Gabe: It contained a whole lot of, , fuck use and kiss my asses and I stop. And that is bullshit and you’ll be able to’t deal with me this manner. And I’m an individual and I’ve rights. And I do know that my response was completely ridiculous. They’ve each proper to order me to do one thing, similar to I’ve each proper to stop if I don’t wish to do it. I didn’t must contain a complete firm throughout a number of states.

Jackie: So then what occurred?

Gabe: Nicely, I acquired fired, I acquired fired laborious, like, so laborious

Jackie: Oh.

Gabe: Like I imply, I did stop. So I used to be quitting anyway. However I despatched that electronic mail within the morning and a pair hours later I acquired a speaking to and I used to be like, hey, I stop already. I put in my two weeks similar to within the electronic mail. And so they’re like, yeah, we don’t we don’t want the 2 weeks. We’re, we’re good now.

Jackie: Wow, OK. So Gabe at this time, trying again on fuck-you-email-sending Gabe of yesteryear, was there something somebody might have mentioned to you in that second to de-escalate, to forestall the e-mail sending?

Gabe: Not a factor. My supervisors tried to work with me once I advised all of my staff, hey, we must always strike. We should always threaten to stop. They have been all pissed off, too. There was an honest degree of anger at having to do that additional work. None of us acquired into again finish community help in order that we might work with clients who would say issues like what’s a node? Why received’t this work? You already know, we simply spent a whole lot of time explaining phrases to folks earlier than we really acquired to the answer to no matter their downside was. It was it was a nightmare. None of us needed to do that job. They have been all indignant. I simply took it as like a private assault. It simply escalated. And my spouse tried to calm me down. My dad tried to calm me down and my co-workers tried to calm me down. My supervisors tried to calm me down. I really equated myself to love the civil rights motion the place I needed to stand tall and defend my folks. That is only a degree of nonsense and ridiculousness that I’m frankly ashamed of. And I don’t know the way we acquired right here.

Jackie: In case you’re someone on this state of affairs, how do you establish the second the place you’re gonna ship the e-mail? No person else can de-escalate you and you’re prepared to do that like doubtlessly profession sabotaging moments or relationship sabotage or one thing horrible. How do you establish it and then not do it?

Gabe: I’m going to place that query up and make it straightforward on you, Jackie. You’re a self-employed enterprise lady. You will have clients. Let’s say that certainly one of your clients requested you to do one thing unreasonable for an quantity that you simply have been unwilling to do it for. What would you do?

Jackie: Say no.

Gabe: Okay. After which the shopper mentioned, nicely, in case you don’t do it, I don’t wish to work with you, and you’d say.

Jackie: Bye.

Gabe: Yeah. Would that be the top of it for you?

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: Would you ship anyone emails and attempt to shut down that particular person’s enterprise?

Jackie: No.

Gabe: Would you simply take into account it a enterprise disagreement and transfer on? Or would you be plotting a social media marketing campaign to, I don’t know, take out their bakery?

Jackie: No. Carried out. Finish of story.

Gabe: Yeah, as a result of that’s how an affordable particular person reacts. Would you exit with your folks and bitch?

Jackie: Sure, most likely.

Gabe: Yeah. Would you complain to your husband that, , this buyer is a dumb ass and they’re going to return crawling again?

Jackie: Sure, if I’m feeling additional sassy.

Gabe: Yeah, and perhaps for the primary couple of nights you’d suppose, how did I get on this state of affairs? Like, what made them suppose that I might do that factor for this little cash or, , however on one hand, you’re venting your mushing it round in your mind. However it’s additionally form of productive, proper? How can I keep away from this case sooner or later? It sort of follows this sample. You already know, first you’re pissed. You then’re complaining. You then’re making an attempt to think about what you can have accomplished to keep away from it. And you then attempt to think about what you are able to do to keep away from that with different folks. Which could be very productive, very proactive.

Jackie: Sure. That makes whole sense, that’s follows a really productive approach to deal with anger and a silly state of affairs.

Gabe: Folks like me get caught on primary. We by no means go away primary. The insults, the affect, the how did this occur? The I’m going to get revenge in opposition to you for having the audacity to make me indignant. It by no means ends. And in reality, it begins to tackle a lifetime of its personal. See, first they ask you to do one thing you didn’t wish to do and they didn’t pay you sufficient and you separated. Like these are the info, proper? However then the rationale they ask you to do it’s as a result of you may have crimson hair and they’re blonde. Oh, my God. That’s why they did it. You already know what? That firm is stuffed with girls. And I’m a person. They hate me as a result of I’m a person. There’s no proof of any of this. You begin to then search it out. So, , I’m a person, so I Google the Web. Highly effective girls being imply to males. And hastily, I discover a neighborhood as a result of the Web has every thing. I simply begin to play in that sandbox. And what initially occurred is {that a} enterprise particular person requested a enterprise particular person to do one thing. They didn’t come to phrases and they separated. And now right here we’re the place I’ve determined that I’ve been like discriminated in opposition to. There’s no reality to again that up. However I’m ripe for the choosing. I’m simply ripe for someone to persuade me of this.

Jackie: We’ll be again after these messages.

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Gabe: And we’re again speaking about being pissed off.

Jackie: Okay, I can see the escalation. I can see how most of it’s most likely rooted in some type of reality, such as you mentioned. Proper? It’s not such as you utterly made it up. It had a catalyst. Nonetheless, as you’ve already said, the final time this occurred was like 15 years in the past. I can see how the fad can construct. What do you do now to forestall that? How is it completely different now? Anyone within the viewers resides with bipolar proper now. They’re experiencing these sorts of like moments of bipolar rage. How do they deal with them?

Gabe: The first step is deal with the underlying situation. Bipolar rage is a symptom of bipolar dysfunction. It’s no completely different from mania or hypersexuality or despair or suicidal ideas or grandiosity or psychosis. That is all half and parcel of the identical subject. The explanation your carpet is moist is as a result of your home is flooding. Cease the flooding recede the waters, dry the carpet. And that’s the place this present has arguably boring solutions. Get assist. Search remedy. Discover out what works for you. And be brutally trustworthy with the folks round you. I needed to inform this story to many individuals, and it’s straightforward now as a result of I’ve advised it so many instances and as a result of I’m dwelling nicely. However once I was unemployed, had no cash, and I needed to say to someone, hey, the rationale that I’m struggling to pay my payments is as a result of I despatched an electronic mail to 35,000 folks telling them to go fuck themselves. Yeah, it feels actually silly. Like no one’s on my aspect. Everyone’s like, wow, I’m stunned you didn’t get prosecuted, you fool. That’s not an unreasonable response.

Jackie: I nonetheless can’t recover from the e-mail. I like actually would like to see a replica of it, which is neither right here nor there, it’s only a reality of that. I might actually like to see this e-mail.

Gabe: I wish to see it, too, actually.

Jackie: And body, it’s like your Jerry Maguire who’s coming with me second.

Gabe: It actually was like a present me the cash sort of factor. I felt that sort of energy in what I used to be doing. That’s the way it felt. That’s delusional. That’s not what was occurring. That’s simply how I felt, what was occurring. And that’s the distinction between anger and bipolar anger. Even folks with anger points, they they’re nonetheless rooted in some form of actuality. And also you ask what someone with bipolar dysfunction with anger ought to do. Yeah. They need to get handled for his or her bipolar dysfunction. They need to go to remedy. They need to take anger administration lessons. If you’re an individual who has a whole lot of issues with anger and you don’t have bipolar dysfunction, you don’t have an underlying extreme and persistent psychological sickness. The very first thing that you have to do is acknowledge that this degree of anger and hostility and rage is hurting you. It’s hurting you. Additionally it is hurting the folks round you. However perhaps you don’t care. It’s hurting you. Strolling round with this degree of anger is tearing you aside from the within for no good cause.

Jackie: Nicely, and it additionally sounds somewhat bit like once you’ve talked previously about being manic, the way you’re like dwelling in it. It’s nice. However then there’s aftermath that you must cope with the place perhaps once you’re feeling bipolar rage, you might be rooted in fact. You’re feeling like that is the one path ahead. After which I might assume a day later, two days later, once you don’t get your first paycheck, perhaps you’re like, perhaps not the neatest resolution I’ve ever made.

Gabe: Yeah, and we’ve tabled this with a job. You already know, I didn’t must apologize to 35,000 staff. They acquired their revenge relatively swiftly by not having to pay me or cope with me or work with me anymore. However then I take into consideration like all the buddies I advised off; I take into consideration all of the romantic relationships that I ruined. I take into consideration my second spouse, who I acquired so indignant at her. And I don’t even keep in mind why. It was so insignificant that I don’t keep in mind what I used to be indignant about. However I screamed, I hate you. I advised my spouse I hated her as a result of she did one thing and I don’t even keep in mind what it’s. And that’s actually the important thing message, proper? I keep in mind screaming, I hate you, however I don’t keep in mind what I used to be indignant about. And that’s going to stay with me without end. I’m that man. I’m the man who screamed, I hate you at my spouse. That’s who I’m. It is best to defend me and say that’s who you have been since you acquired assist, et cetera. Like, I wouldn’t go away that hanging there.

Jackie: I wish to do this. I’ll simply say that, like typically you say issues, Gabe, and it’s simply form of like the truth that falls over. Yeah, it does go away me speechless as a result of I’m simply making an attempt to love stay in that second of the interplay between you and your spouse on the time. And it’s overwhelming to think about what that should’ve felt like in truth, how far you may have come. Of like issues that you’ve got accomplished and issues that you’ve got mentioned. Proper. We’ve already established this degree of bipolar rage shouldn’t be actually one thing you see anymore or haven’t seen shortly. You might be in remedy. You might be doing nicely. Hopefully that’s one thing that sort of stays previously.

Gabe: And I do imagine that it’s going to. And I’ve been married eight years now and I don’t have this subject with Kendall. Kendall acquired the most effective model of Gabe that ever existed. Kendall has the most effective model of Gabe that has ever existed. However there’s nonetheless someone strolling round that acquired the worst model of Gabe. However you’re proper. Our worst moments, no extra outline us than our greatest moments outline us. We’re form of a hodgepodge of all of it, proper? The great, the dangerous and the ugly make us who we’re. And it’s one of many causes that I do that present. It’s one of many causes that I speak so overtly about it, as a result of after I did these items, there was a subsequent day and there was a subsequent week and there was a subsequent month and there was a subsequent 12 months. And I’m glad that I did all the proper issues to get by way of it. And I need different folks to know that they’ll do the correct issues to get by way of it. After which they simply owe folks like a whole lot of apologies. My apology tour was simply so extremely humbling. It actually was. I’m lucky that my household is who they’re. You already know, they suck. Don’t get me incorrect. They’re terrible folks. We don’t agree on politics. We combat about music. You already know, my dad loses his shit over A-1 Sauce at a restaurant on a $70 filet, which simply makes me wish to take my head and pound it on a desk. However they’re not one iota ashamed of their kids. That’s a superb commerce for me. And it’s not one thing that each particular person has. I didn’t must apologize as a result of they already forgave me. I’m fortunate.

Jackie: To a sure extent, although, what you do at a sure level in your life, if you’ll be able to develop from it, study from it, search remedy after it, get higher or no matter it’s, we shouldn’t be persecuted for issues we did 30 years in the past. If we’ve got made efforts to right the habits, , I used to be most likely a imply lady to somebody sooner or later in my life. There’s a excessive chance if that’s the one interplay they’ve had with me, that’s who they suppose I nonetheless am. However I’m not. I wish to suppose that we are able to take a look at one another and see that progress is feasible in different folks. Perhaps an entire change shouldn’t be doable, however progress and evolution is feasible.

Gabe: If it may well’t change, there’s no level listening to the present. If we are able to’t change, there’s no level in going to remedy. If we are able to’t change, there’s no objective for any of this. I imagine that we are able to all change and we are able to all be higher folks. It’s important to wish to do it. And an apology isn’t primarily based in your emotions. It’s primarily based on the opposite particular person’s emotions. The apology shouldn’t be presupposed to make you’re feeling higher. In reality, the vast majority of apologies made me really feel worse. However they made the opposite folks really feel higher. And after a few days, that made me really feel higher. It’s not about you. It’s about them. In case you’re going round apologizing so as to really feel higher, you’re doing it incorrect. You’re simply doing it straight up incorrect.

Jackie: Okay, so if I have been to summarize this episode, I might say one, bipolar anger occurs. Two, it’s preventable and avoidable with remedy. And C, in case you do have a second the place you return and do these items, don’t overlook that you may completely transfer ahead. You may transfer previous it. However you additionally must be prepared to acknowledge what occurred. And a whole lot of instances meaning apologizing.

Gabe: Simply because it’s previously doesn’t imply that the longer term can’t be higher. However you’ve acquired to take proactive motion to make it higher. Radical honesty is a factor.

Jackie: Radical honesty, radical candor. All of the radicals. I’m in help of. As a result of I believe that’s the place we turn out to be weak. And I imagine and I’ve realized in remedy, after we’re weak, that’s after we develop essentially the most.

Gabe: And talking of radical, let’s discuss you, our radical followers. We want a number of favors from you that Jackie and I might admire utterly and totally. One, share us on social media, and within the description, inform folks why you just like the present and why they need to take heed to it. Two, wherever you obtain this podcast, please subscribe. Use your phrases and inform folks why you prefer it once you rank and fee us. Lastly, keep tuned after the credit as a result of what’s there? Superior stuff. It seems Gabe and Jackie make a whole lot of hilarious errors. Generally we additionally drop knowledge there. We are going to see everyone subsequent week.

Jackie: Have a good time. What? Have an incredible week. So long. I don’t know. Bye.

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